Daily affirmations of a word mercenary
This is truly a horrific contemporary cautionary tale about a 21 year old from Arizona who, from the looks of it, liked to take drugs and chat on IRC. I’ve known people who’ve done similar things…logged onto entheogen discussion channels while under the influence to report their experiences in real time. Sort of a live Erowid.
Brandon Carl Vedas, aka “ripper,” even had his webcam streaming as he started to take the drugs, which it should be noted, were almost all pharmaceuticals: methadone, oxy-contin [a commenter has corrected me that, according to the IRC logs, it was "8000mg equivalent of oxy-contin," not oxy-contin], inderal, klonopin. As a channel of his irc buddies watched, Brandon chatted as best he could, reassuring folks that “my mom is in the next room doing crozzwordz,” and reminding those who cautioned him that he’d taken too much, “I told u I was hardcore.”
Eventually, as everyone watched, he passed out.
Eventually, as everyone watched, he died. [A commenter has corrected me that his webcam was turned off before he died.]
Reading the IRC logs chilled me to the bone. First you saw people cheering him on, just as you’d expect from a drug machismo crowd. I know this kind of machismo. Reading Brandon’s words reminded me so much of John, my ex-boyfriend…he was always famous for pushing himself farther and farther with drugs, always non-chalanty chatty about it…”Yeah, whatever. It was no big deal. I told you I was fucking hardcore.” I never cheered him on, but he kept on pushing.
IRC users started to panic once Brandon passed out, realizing that they don’t have his address, and 911 can’t do anything with a cell phone number. Can you imagine the powerless these people must have felt? The agony, first deliberating whether to call anyone — after all, no-one wants to get a friend busted — and then, once they realized they needed to call, realizing there was nothing they could do? Chilling. Truly chilling.
Folks who spend a lot of time online know about that weird line in the sand between internet and reality. When does an online stalker become a real threat? When does an e-mail flirtation become a real prospect? And when does some online person’s drug use go from an abstraction to a deadly overdose?
Hey there. I'm Ariel Meadow Stallings, a native Seattleite who's written my way up and down the Left Coast. Electrolicious is where I post daily randomata, but I also write for a living. My first book, Offbeat Bride, was published last year.
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dovee
January 22nd, 2003 at 2:00 pm
He was a good person and a nice guy, he had so much to live for… this was such a horrible thing to happen. I wish I knew he needed help.
philippe
January 23rd, 2003 at 3:30 am
That’s one of the most disturbing and sad things I’ve read.
Can you imagine the powerless these people must have felt?
No, I can’t. Actually I suspect they didn’t, but for a few of them. They were too fucked up. And I certainly hope they now feel guilty as hell, because they are. And I don’t feel any compassion for them.
It’s so stupid and so desperate, are people’s lives so empty they had to get high on IRC in front of their webcam to communicate ? my mom is in the next room doing crozzwordz, oh god.
End of the incoherent comment.
Shannon
January 25th, 2003 at 3:05 am
I knew Brandon for alot of years and he had the most infectous smile I’ve ever seen. I’d give anything to see it again right now. Thank you for posting this.. Its good to know that while his death was senseless and horrible, that it touched so many people and hopefully will leave many of us stronger and.. and something. I dont know. I really wish this hadnt happened to him. He was a good friend with a kind heart and I miss him so much right now.
Richard Vedas
January 30th, 2003 at 7:58 pm
I am Brandons father, he was a very intelligent, kind and caring to any that he could help.I do not think that any of you knew him as I did. He always pushed the envelope, faster bigger better!
This is a true tragedy to lose a Son to drugs.The people who participated will forever live with the knowlege that they helped KILL a brilliant young man. The internet is too vague to ever locate anyone as they use fake names, phone numbers and ID’s.
This did not have to happen, if the people that were on line had left, he would have no one to talk to or prove anything. I miss him so very much, I can find no solace.
He did not need to die to prove anything. I know that he had a lot to live for. A new job that he liked.A new girlfriend.His smile was just great, how he always looked to the side.I will never get to see this again. I miss him so very much.
Please do judge unless you knew him better than me.It is truly sad for people that have no knowlege of him to try and be judgemental.Part of me died on that day, replaced with grief and anger that will follow me forever.
If you want to know about the real Brandon contact me. I pray that he find peace with God. He was my youngest child. To his true friends,I thank you.As I type this I weep on the keys that can’t explain my sorry or bring my son back to me.WE LOVE YOU RIPPER .RIP14ME Richard Vedas Sr Your Dad
Ariel
January 30th, 2003 at 9:18 pm
Mr. Vedas, thank you so much for taking the time to post about your son on my website. I sincerely hope that my post did not come off as judgmental — I certainly did not mean it to, and if it brought you any additional heart ache in this already painful situation, you have my deepest of apologies. I have loved men like Brandon, and I have lost them much in the way you have lost Brandon. My heart goes out to you in this time of grief and sadness, and I can only hope that Brandon’s untimely passing teaches a crucial lesson to the faceless masses of the internet: the words on the computer screen are typed by REAL PEOPLE, with REAL FAMILIES who love them. I think it’s hard for some who spend time online to understand that it is REAL. It’s as real as the anguish I know you must be feeling now.
Thank you again for taking the time to share your thoughts. I did not know your son, but I do not believe that he died in vain. I think many young people are learning from him that they can’t push their bodies to the edge and always expect to come back…and that the people who they encounter online aren’t any different than the people they encounter on the street or in their “real lives.” I believe these are powerful lessons.
Much love to you and your family as you worth through this difficult time.
Richard Vedas
February 1st, 2003 at 11:08 am
Hi Ariel, The logs are still on line at http://www.dovee.org. Thanks for caring. I just wish that I had some way to get this information out.Take care Richard
Khourtniey
February 2nd, 2003 at 4:27 am
Mr Vedas if you are still reading this I would just like to tell you that I am deeply sorry for your loss. I had known Brandon for almost 2 years and I was hurt terribly that night. I have set up a site (http://www.ripripper.tk) in his memory. As of right now it is not finished, but I am working on it. Be well and know that we are all in this together.
hast
February 2nd, 2003 at 9:38 am
Brandon wasn’t on Oxy that night. Please research your (mis)information before going public with it.
Everyone who was present that night feels remorse. We’re all sorry for what happened and we’re all sorry for not doing more. But this misinformation won’t help anyone.
Ariel
February 2nd, 2003 at 9:42 am
I was going by what was I saw written in the first IRC log. I see now that what he said was “8000mg equivalent of oxy-contin.” I’ll rephrase to clarify that point.
8ball
February 2nd, 2003 at 10:14 am
“Eventually, as everyone watched, he passed out.
Eventually, as everyone watched, he died.”
this is incorrect. he turned his cam off before he was passed out and dead. the last thing recorded that he did was talk to someone in the channel on his phone and then he hung up. and i don’t like how you say people were pushing him to take more. there is an inherent level of sarcasm that goes on in that chat room.
Ariel
February 2nd, 2003 at 10:20 am
Ah. Another clarification. Thanks for that…I’ll make a note of it just as I made a note of the oxy-contin clarification. That said, I’m hardly the internet authority on this situation, and I encourage those of you who know what “really” happened to get the word out there yourself…I’m more than happy to clarify as best I can in my copy, but there are as many perspectives on this situation as there are people who’ve heard about it, and my one view is just that: mine. I’ll make it as accurate as I can given the information I have, but remember that this is just my personal webpage, and there’s no way I can reflect every person’s take on the tragedy.
hungus
February 2nd, 2003 at 2:29 pm
mr vedas - no one in that chat room “helped kill” your son, except your son. i feel genuine remorse for you and your family, but to blame this on other people is completely ridiculous. your son obviously had serious problems — normal people do not willingly kill themselves because they are egged on by others. i am sorry for all that has happened, i hope you and your family can get through this horrible chapter of your lives.
grifferz
February 2nd, 2003 at 5:18 pm
Various URLs abour Brandon Vedas are now being pasted all over IRC., yet I am unable to find a single mention of him in the mainstream media. When this happened with sk0t, it got into the press quickly. It’s now been 20 days or more and a google on Brandon’s name brings up only news sites.
Richard Vedas here claims to be Brandon’s father and tells you that the logs are still online. If this were my son, I would not be keeping those logs up.
The metafilter page which is probably the oldest and longest running place of discussion for this incident also fails to uncover any actual proof.
I deeply apologise to Richard Vedas if this story is indeed true, but at this stage it looks like a hoax to me.
Ariel
February 2nd, 2003 at 5:20 pm
Grifferz, NY Daily News posted an article on Friday.
Rich
February 2nd, 2003 at 9:24 pm
As I’ve posted other places…
I am Brandon’s oldest brother, Rich. Anyone who would see what happened as anything other than a senseless tragedy is a complete ass. Yes, Brandon was ultimately responsible for what happened that night. But for those that encouraged him and/or did nothing to help (and there was a way to find him if you read the log closely) they need to really examine what happened. It is no different than someone dying in the park in front of a group of people…
Let’s all learn and grow from this instead of people constantly saying “it’s not my fault”.
wajo
February 3rd, 2003 at 6:44 am
I’ve come accross this article thru google to see the irc log
colin
February 3rd, 2003 at 12:27 pm
the drudge report linked to the nydailynews.com story on monday 2/3/3, so there are probably going to be many thousands more hits. I just read the logs at http://ripperlogs.tk and they’re pretty chilling and I wanted to see what else people were saying, and this is one of 12 pages about brandon in google as of today.
spanky
February 3rd, 2003 at 1:17 pm
The obituary ripper site carries forum.fuckedcompany.com as an external link - and there is a debate going on there today as to the username he employed when posting. This might account for increased traffic here today.
If anybody knows his identity at FC - or when / if he last posted please do come over and tell us.
It is a tragic story and many people at FC from all over the world are truly shocked and upset to hear that they have lost a friend and colleague.
Khourtniey
February 3rd, 2003 at 4:16 pm
He posted as `.`
Ozziechick
February 4th, 2003 at 12:01 am
This has to be one of the saddest things i have read online for a long while. This kid (Brandon) did not WANT to die. If he did then he would not have left an out like he did. The car details he left just go to show that. And as for the people in the room at that time, I hope to god you struggle with living with yourselves for a long time. Gutless cowards !!!!!!! What is wrong with some people today ?? Sarcasm ? I dont think a person who was in the grip of the drugs he had taken would be able to tell the difference between your idea of sarcasm and ‘egging’ him on. Its people like those in the room that put others off going on the internet at all. Shame on you ! To the family, I send my deepest sympathies. As a parent my heart goes out to you all. Maybe, just maybe this will teach others to be more aware that there are real people on the other end and to behave in a more humane manner.
Saddened
February 4th, 2003 at 1:23 am
Mr. Vedas,
I came across the tragedy involving your son in in an Islamic newsgroup of all places. The agenda behind thier posting was to show how “American Life ” is so they can score some brownie points amongst thier fellow brothers.
I use the mirc client for discussions so I became interested and decided to do a bit more delving into this, and then came across your logs via a search for keywords from the press release.
I feel I have the ability to place myself in the mindset so as to understand what everyone is talking about and the mannerisms involved. A lot of it is called empathy which unfortunately this world is lacking.
I can’t say anything that would alleviate your pain, but the mentality involved in that chatroom that night is typical given the subject involved. A chatroom involving any other subject would also have the same mentality for whatever subject is covered.
My point is that the people involved on that chatroom are playing a role of being tough and taking it to the limit when it comes to drugs, and Brandon played along unfortunately.
This is the consequences of free speech in this country. Im an agnostic in case you think otherwise, but I have to agree the morals in the country are going downhill, and perhaps stricter religious doctrines imposed by parents (Never the State) onto thier sons and daughters regardless if a god exists or not might help society.
Your son was not wrong, nor were the people in the chatroom, it was the gusto attitude on both sides that contributed to your sons demise.
With your permission, I would like to post your response on this forum to many I have been to that have this as a subject, so that those with a heart will look at the situation on a more personal level.
SilverSky
February 4th, 2003 at 3:15 am
This is aweful! Too bad a such nice young man had to die
xtyn
February 4th, 2003 at 7:53 am
Google searches for BV may also come from people trying to follow up or verify the truthfulness of the report.
The story was linked to from irc-junkie.org ’s news page which also held links to the log and the news writeup.
That search is what lead me here.
absolute
February 5th, 2003 at 12:06 am
to whomever said you felt this was a hoax i too thought it, intitially…then i found http://www.legacy.com/azcentra.....nId=725033 and i dont think its a hoax at all.
the pain is real and its a terrible thing what happened. we forget the mortality of ourselves and of friends far too often.
maybe something good can come of this horrible story. maybe one person who hears about this or is involved will save someones life down the line. one can only hope.
so much uncertainty for those involved in the chat–i don’t blame them for this incident. they never forced him. many requested him to stop. i don’t know.
i hope the healing process begins soon for the family of brandon. perhaps trying to educate high schoolers/middle schoolers about the absolute dangers of drugs could be a step towards recovery as it is for many in similar tragic situations.
Richard Veads Sr
February 5th, 2003 at 7:14 am
I am so sorry that the world has become so detached from reality. The logs need to be there, these were real people in a real life situation in cyber land. Is what I see real? Did that really happen? If it were your son or daughter would you want to hide and cover up the facts? That would be so easy to close my eyes and not face reality, as so many peole do.The facts are if you were in a face to face situation such as this, you would be responsible for what happened . But this happened in cyber land where ther is no accountability, or real emotion. The face on the screen means nothing. I can not spend more time on this as I still have to make burial arrangements for Brandon. We had a memorial service, we need to put him at rest.
Think what ever thoughts you want. We need to change the way we think of our fellow man. The net is a great escape for many people. Try talking to real live people in person, neighbors friends. The keyboard is not the way to go through life. Live life in a real true sense. If cyber land is your life, you need help. This will be the last from me until my son is at rest. Richard Vedas Sr