Comments on: Mars Hell http://electrolicious.com/2006/09/mars_hell Daily affirmations of a word mercenary Fri, 16 May 2008 03:20:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Ariel http://electrolicious.com/2006/09/mars_hell#comment-7030 Ariel Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:25:21 +0000 http://electrolicious.com/2006/09/mars_hell#comment-7030 berean, the summary of the disclaimer is basically: I pay money to host this site where I can write whatever I want. You, as a commenter here, cannot write whatever you want. In other words, free-speech means nothing when I'm paying the hosting bill. Furthermore, I'm closing this post to further comments. I'm leaving <a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Introduction_to_Blogging#Pingbacks" rel="nofollow">pingbacks</a> open, however, so if you'd like to respond to this post, feel free to do so on your own blog and your response should show in this comments thread. berean, the summary of the disclaimer is basically: I pay money to host this site where I can write whatever I want. You, as a commenter here, cannot write whatever you want. In other words, free-speech means nothing when I’m paying the hosting bill.

Furthermore, I’m closing this post to further comments. I’m leaving pingbacks open, however, so if you’d like to respond to this post, feel free to do so on your own blog and your response should show in this comments thread.

]]> By: berean77 http://electrolicious.com/2006/09/mars_hell#comment-7038 berean77 Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:09:03 +0000 http://electrolicious.com/2006/09/mars_hell#comment-7038 As someone who just happened upon this article and the ensuing posts, I must say I find myself scratching my head as to what the following disclaimer, posted as a warning at the bottom of the page, could possibly be construed to actually mean: <i>Disclaimer: Be constructive. Comments deemed offensive, pointless, or irritating will be deleted. Those posting anonymously are at especially high risk for having derisive comments deleted. If you want to be critical, that's fine—dialogue is encouraged, trolling is not tolerated. <i> Seeing what has been written, what else could possibly be "deemed offensive"? The above disclaimer is more a description of the content than a prohibition of it. I would respect the writer's views a lot more, had she taken the time to meet and talk to the people at the church. To her, they are still characatures, fitting nicely into the stereotype she had when she walked through the doors. As someone who just happened upon this article and the ensuing posts, I must say I find myself scratching my head as to what the following disclaimer, posted as a warning at the bottom of the page, could possibly be construed to actually mean:
Disclaimer: Be constructive. Comments deemed offensive, pointless, or irritating will be deleted. Those posting anonymously are at especially high risk for having derisive comments deleted. If you want to be critical, that’s fine—dialogue is encouraged, trolling is not tolerated.

Seeing what has been written, what else could possibly be “deemed offensive”? The above disclaimer is more a description of the content than a prohibition of it.

I would respect the writer’s views a lot more, had she taken the time to meet and talk to the people at the church. To her, they are still characatures, fitting nicely into the stereotype she had when she walked through the doors.

]]> By: yasmin http://electrolicious.com/2006/09/mars_hell#comment-7016 yasmin Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:59:34 +0000 http://electrolicious.com/2006/09/mars_hell#comment-7016 <p>I'm actually a Christian and new to the area. I tried Mars Hill the same day you did and I was sickened by Driscoll and his comments about feminists. I kept vacilating between wanting to yell at him in the middle of his sermon and wanting to cry. THis is not the Jesus I know or the Jesus in the Bible. But according to Driscoll, if it's not his way, it's not biblical! </p> <p>There are plenty of Christians who don't look at women like Driscoll does. </p> <p>BTW, Mars Man Aaron - when you and your wife have kids one day, would you be willing to stay at home, while she went to work? Or she allowed to just get a degree and then not use it? </p> I’m actually a Christian and new to the area. I tried Mars Hill the same day you did and I was sickened by Driscoll and his comments about feminists. I kept vacilating between wanting to yell at him in the middle of his sermon and wanting to cry. THis is not the Jesus I know or the Jesus in the Bible. But according to Driscoll, if it’s not his way, it’s not biblical!

There are plenty of Christians who don’t look at women like Driscoll does.

BTW, Mars Man Aaron - when you and your wife have kids one day, would you be willing to stay at home, while she went to work? Or she allowed to just get a degree and then not use it?

]]> By: Mars Man Aaron http://electrolicious.com/2006/09/mars_hell#comment-7007 Mars Man Aaron Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:41:52 +0000 http://electrolicious.com/2006/09/mars_hell#comment-7007 We are glad you stopped by! I wish someone had taken the time to at least talk with you, just out of courtesy. I hope you don't take the fact that we disagree personally. I left a more extensive post on one of your friends pages. jouissance- I just happened to see your post. I don't know if you will ever read this, I want to answer your questions. But first let me say we have many women attending grad school at Mars Hill. God ordains when and where we are born and if we are to have children. While you are not blessed with children, you have been blessed with talent, which is just as marvelous and wonderful. We have support groups for women dealing with infertility just to name one of many. My wife and I both plan on attending grad school. She is an evolutionary anthropologist BA from stanford, and I don't think I have seen her happier when she is telling me about something she just learned. God tells me to love my wife, and not only that, but to cultivate her also. That means with the mind she has, it would be a crime for her not to go to Grad School. We don't think God wants us to have children at this point, given how chaotic our jobs have been and given what we see our future being. He put us in a time and place where we could be a part of the decision of when we would have children. To answer your questions: What would we say if you showed up at Jesus' church? WELCOME. You don't have to stay but you would be welcome. We would love to have you and your husband visit, if only to get to know us better.What assumptions would we make? We would assume that you were curious, maybe you are looking for somthing more, or maybe you are just wondering what this place is. That is what we would assume. How would you be treated? You would be treated as an image bearer of God, because you are. Simply put, you would be loved because you are you. Not for what you can do, or can't do. Just for simply being. You don't have to prove anything to us, you are loved, and you are awesome, because God breathed life into you, and made you in his image. You are blessed but you are just blessed differently than many. We will pray for you, your grad work, and should it be, your children. God's Peace. Aaron. We are glad you stopped by! I wish someone had taken the time to at least talk with you, just out of courtesy. I hope you don’t take the fact that we disagree personally. I left a more extensive post on one of your friends pages.

jouissance- I just happened to see your post. I don’t know if you will ever read this, I want to answer your questions.

But first let me say we have many women attending grad school at Mars Hill. God ordains when and where we are born and if we are to have children. While you are not blessed with children, you have been blessed with talent, which is just as marvelous and wonderful. We have support groups for women dealing with infertility just to name one of many.

My wife and I both plan on attending grad school. She is an evolutionary anthropologist BA from stanford, and I don’t think I have seen her happier when she is telling me about something she just learned. God tells me to love my wife, and not only that, but to cultivate her also. That means with the mind she has, it would be a crime for her not to go to Grad School.

We don’t think God wants us to have children at this point, given how chaotic our jobs have been and given what we see our future being. He put us in a time and place where we could be a part of the decision of when we would have children.

To answer your questions:
What would we say if you showed up at Jesus’ church? WELCOME. You don’t have to stay but you would be welcome. We would love to have you and your husband visit, if only to get to know us better.What assumptions would we make? We would assume that you were curious, maybe you are looking for somthing more, or maybe you are just wondering what this place is. That is what we would assume.
How would you be treated? You would be treated as an image bearer of God, because you are.

Simply put, you would be loved because you are you. Not for what you can do, or can’t do. Just for simply being. You don’t have to prove anything to us, you are loved, and you are awesome, because God breathed life into you, and made you in his image. You are blessed but you are just blessed differently than many.

We will pray for you, your grad work, and should it be, your children.

God’s Peace.
Aaron.

]]> By: Dude of feminist origin http://electrolicious.com/2006/09/mars_hell#comment-7013 Dude of feminist origin Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:59:07 +0000 http://electrolicious.com/2006/09/mars_hell#comment-7013 <p>The face of feminism is changing. Case in point: My Mother. I was raised in a feminist household. As of late, my mother is starting to second guess her convicitons. She feels that feminism has gone from the sensible notion that women are people too to the radical notion that men are and forever will be subhuman. She feels that this is too far. I think the brand of feminism that she is worried about is the same brand that evangelicals are worried about. </p> The face of feminism is changing. Case in point: My Mother. I was raised in a feminist household. As of late, my mother is starting to second guess her convicitons. She feels that feminism has gone from the sensible notion that women are people too to the radical notion that men are and forever will be subhuman. She feels that this is too far. I think the brand of feminism that she is worried about is the same brand that evangelicals are worried about.

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