Daily affirmations of a word mercenary
A few times on your blog I’ve seen you refer to your self as “postfeminist” — what exactly does this mean? Is it a particular branch of feminism, or does it stem from a sense that feminism is over?
Oh jesus. You really want to get me in trouble again, don’t you? Ok, I will write out a full answer to this question, but first with some caveats: I haven’t studied feminist theory. I am not a women’s studies grad. I don’t claim to speak for anyone other than myself. I’m not interested in debates about feminism. And finally: it makes me really sad that while 30 years ago a woman answer a question about feminism might fear retributions from men, I am honestly terrified of answering this question for fear of being attacked by other women. Because it’s happened before. And it was really awful, honestly.
But that’s silly — that fear of feminists would keep me from talking openly about my thoughts about my own feminism. So, let me say this first: while I can’t answer your question with anything other than my personal ramblings, women ten times smarter than me have written a lot about post-feminism:
Postfeminism vs. the Third Wave by Alison Piepmeier
Manufacturing Postfeminism by Susan J. Douglas
States of Play: Feminism, Gender Studies, and Performance by Janelle Reinelt
But, if you’re interested in my ramblings, read on. While you’re reading, I’ll strap on my helmet and wait for the bombs to start dropping from the rad-fem blogosphere.
So, I was raised by a second-wave feminist. My mother has dedicated herself to women’s physical and spiritual for 35 years, first as a midwife and now as a women’s spiritualist. I was raised on her shoulders, and the view from up here has always been pretty great.
I’ve lived my life under the assumption that men and women were created equal. Equal rights, as far as I’ve been concerned, was a battle my mother fought … and won.
Then again, I’m coming from an extremely entitled perspective: I grew up in a progressive, liberal region and have chosen to live in equally progressive regions as an adult. I don’t think we’re living in a post-feminist world (women’s rights have a long way to go globally), but I live in a progressive post-feminist bubble where my family, husband, friends, employer, and most everyone I interact with has at least outwardly accepted feminism.
In other words, I’m a feminist, but so’s everyone else I encounter in my daily life, so the distinction feels sorta moot. Hence: post-feminist.
That said, I might be calling myself a post-feminist, and actually just be a confused, entitled, apathetic third-wave feminist who doesn’t read enough to know how to define herself. Honestly, I’m not completely sure. I know that I do get riled up when people ask me things like “If you don’t cook, who makes dinner?” I’m hyper-sensitive to doing more housework than my share. I bristle when people ask me where my husband is, as if it’s unfathomable that I’d leave the house without him. And I pride myself on my career.
It wasn’t until I worked in Los Angeles that I first understood just how privileged my “the feminists won!” perspective was. When I was working on Lotus Magazine, I used to go down for business trips for business meetings with my coworkers. I was the only woman on the core staff, which wasn’t a big deal until it became clear how much of an anomaly I was for these guys. One of my coworkers, after hearing me go on a curse-filled rant about something, looked at me with a confused look and said, “Dude, it’s weird: you’re just like a guy.”
Uh, no I wasn’t. I was like a crass, loud-mouth, opinionated woman, but I guess they didn’t have many encounters with women like that, so therefore I was deemed guy-like. It was odd, and made me a little self-conscious — and made me feel bad for these guys in LA. And even worse for the women there.
When I step outside of my little bubble, I’ve had some awfully sexist encounters. On a road trip last year, Andreas and I stopped at a mini-mart to get a snack. As we tried to figure out who was paying, the gross dude working behind the counter said to me, “Oh, let him pay,” and then winked at Andreas and said “She can pay you back later. Heh heh.” UM. GROSS. We left as quickly as possible. I suppose I could have spit in the dude’s face, but I’m not really an activist like that. I’d rather just go home and write about it.
I identify myself as post-feminist in part because I really wrestle with the ways second-wave feminism flirts with victimization. It feels difficult for me to argue that we’re strong and powerful and equal to men, and yet we’re supposedly also the sad, abused underlings? I am certainly not a victim: I’m a white, middle class, and college-educated. How could I possibly claim to be part of some underclass? What an insult to those who actually ARE disadvantaged!
I guess another reason I refer to myself as a post-feminist is because I’ve seen the ways some arms of the feminist movement can be exclusionary to feminist men. Andreas is a more traditional feminist than I am (he once got mad at me for going to the Lusty Lady), and he’s got many stories about what it feels like to be shut out of pro-woman feminist events because he’s a male. Heck, he’s not allowed to sleep in my mother’s Moonlodge because he has a penis, even though he’s got more reverence toward women than I do sometimes.
This is another way in which I’m entitled: I’m partnered with a man who in some stereotypical ways is girlier than I am. I mean sure: Dre’s super athletic, likes watching soccer and tossing back beers. But he’s also by far the more empathetic and compassionate of the two of us, is way more sensitive than I am, is much less lecherous, less crass, and less crude. I’ve often been the primary bread-winner, and until Dre just got his new job, I’ve always been the higher earner.
I also have trouble with railing against the objectification of women — primarily because I love objectifying people of both genders! Did I ever tell you about the time I hooked up with a hottie boy-toy four years my junior? And technically, I was his boss? That’s one of the tamer examples of my rampant objectification. I think maybe this makes me a kind of female chauvinist pig, but I wouldn’t know because I haven’t read the book.
So, let’s get back to the term, “post-feminist.” I’m not a scholar on the subject, but the best summary I’ve seen is that post-feminism refers to those who claim to be within feminism on the one hand and calling for a move beyond it on the other. That is me. I believe women are strong and equal to men. But I’m also not especially interested in defining myself (or others) by gender. I’m way more invested in being defined by my skills, opinions, actions, and emotions. Which is feminist, right?
In closing, I very much relate to this blog post:
A recent Facebook-based conversation with Susan Mernit got me thinking about my place in feminism and technology.
I started to argue that “I’m not a feminist tech geek.” I play along with the male-dominated industry by adopting the behaviors of the men around me. I have a history of working on all-male teams and being treated as “one of them” rather than as “the woman.” You’ll find me in a button-down shirt, but you won’t find me in a dress. I expect the same respect and treatment as any man, and I nip any potentially sexist situation in the bud before it escalates. I have a firm handshake, I look people in the eye, I speak with confidence, and I refuse to be pidgeonholed by my gender.
And yeah, okay, I guess that could make me a feminist tech geek.
Argument lost.
Hey there. I'm Ariel Meadow Stallings, a native Seattleite who's written my way up and down the Left Coast. Electrolicious is where I post daily randomata, but I also write for a living. My first book, Offbeat Bride, was published last year.
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Christina
December 3rd, 2007 at 8:57 pm
“…I really wrestle with the ways second-wave feminism flirts with victimization…what an insult to those who actually ARE disadvantaged!”
I hope this is coherent. I just spent a ridiculous amount of time crafting my paragraph and then lost it. So here I go again. You know, since I’ve been out of school (both college and CPC) I’ve had some real time for self-reflection and my current obsession is where, exactly, I fit on the feminism spectrum. I do consider myself a feminist but I never considered what that meant until recently. I definitely agree with the comment I pulled out from your entry; it was the most relevant to my idea(s) about feminism. On my own I often think about the negative stigmas that come with saying you ARE the word. A feminist. I am not a femi-nazi. I am not weak, I do not need to be protected by men or other women, and I am capable of everything a man is capable of (except, of course, of having a penis, but even surgery can cover that, lol). But I’m not a victim of my gender. I don’t think of myself as a woman abused by our society, how could I feel that way as I walk out of my house where, if I were raped, the assailant would be jailed and not myself? American culture hyper-sexualizes women and sometimes I see things that disgust me, no doubt about it, but my PERSONAL feeling about feminism has almost nothing to do with the way others see feminism or feel about feminists. It’s about how I see it.
I think it’s dangerous to let anyone define a word like feminist/feminism because it is so personal. Much like religion, feminism isn’t a concrete, globally agreed-upon idea—think of it this way: it’s difficult to argue with someone about religion because there’s not much of an argument against belief. That’s how I feel about feminism. I pull from places that speak to me and I reject the places that don’t appeal to me. Who the F says there are rules? There is your mind, what you read, and your conclusions. And if you are lucky enough to find schools of thought to belong to, that’s great, too. Others, like me, hang out in the wings and jump out when something strikes them.
Alicia
December 4th, 2007 at 7:27 am
YES!!! Ariel - once again you have put into words what I have been struggling to say to others. Except for some details, of course, my experience and feelings about feminism is almost exactly like yours. If we do not consider ourselves equal (by victimization), then why should anyone else consider us equal. Okay - maybe things aren’t as simple as that. And I cringe for the hate mail I would probably get - from WOMEN. But any time I get into an argument with another woman about this very issue - I just think: this is exactly why so many people disregard women. We cannot even treat each other respectfully on the issue of feminism. I just got into an argument with a woman because she said by taking my husband’s last name that it means I’m not a feminist. It doesn’t matter that I took it simply because I liked it, it sounds good with my first name, and I like starting this new chapter of my life with a new name. NO - I was bowing down to the patriarchal societal pressure. I give up. I’m doing what I want and I don’t care what ANYONE thinks - man or woman.
kirsten
December 4th, 2007 at 8:53 am
I think that the most important thing that we have inherited from first and second wave feminists is the right to make choices about ourselves, our bodies, our lives, and (ferchrissake) our names without having to ask permission from anyone else. It’s easy to take that for granted (shouldn’t it be taken for granted?) but we had to fight long and hard to get there. And, as Ariel points out, few of us live in what can be termed a post-feminist society. In fact, because I consider the world and not my enclave to be my community, I still define myself as feminist. Even in my “post-feminist bubble” I’m still teasing out the bullshit.
Joni
December 4th, 2007 at 9:28 am
Found you through a link on this list I’m not sure how many steps backward this is in regard to feminism, but I guess it’s sort of flattering?
Molly
December 4th, 2007 at 11:44 am
Critics can fight you with all the energy that they can muster about female self-definition within microcosm culture, but it does not even approach the fact that a greater portion of the country is still questioning whether or not it is okay for women to have jobs outside of the home (if you don’t believe this, come to Texas). Most people, women and men, are totally humorless about gender politics–no matter what culture they identify with. My parents are former hippies and my mom always told me about the sexist politics played out in a time of supposed individual freedom: the women in the kitchen making tempeh while the guys smoked pot in another room. I know neo-hippies, indies, careerists and hipsters and they all struggle with the same gender issues, just cloaked in different garb. The point of feminism–a fact that all of your critics seemed to have missed–is that you can be wrong, and you can be vapid and whatever else you would naturally be if you were allowed to have a complete identity independent of being a woman. And the point of post-feminism is that you don’t even have to examine your freedoms.
Becky
December 4th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Holy hell. Please click on Joni’s link. I can’t wait to hear what is to be said about this.
Ariel
December 4th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Becky: yeah, that link showed up in my vanity notifyers a few days ago (I have google set to email me whenever any of my URLs show up online). I don’t really a response to it, any more than I had a response to the “water sports” fetishists who decided a “omg I almost peed my pants” post I wrote a few years ago was really arousing.
I don’t have any control over people’s responses to my blog, so I’ve gotten pretty good at disassociating myself from it all. You want to read it and get angry? Ok. You want to read it and cry? Ok. You want to read it an masturbate? *shrug* As long as you’re not sending me gross emails or leaving trollish comments, ain’t nuthin I can do about it. Nature of the web, really.
amy.leblanc
December 4th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
i am the same as you in how you feel about your self as a being, but (and this is not an attack, just a note) the logic behind your position throws me for a bit of a loop when you say you don’t agree with defining yourself by gender but then say “I’m partnered with a man who in some ways is girlier than I am.” and then list traits generally, sexistly, deemed ‘feminine’. is being empathetic and compassionate a ‘female’ trait, or a cultural one? i’m curious as to how your mom and others feel about that characterization.
amy.leblanc
December 4th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
and OMG i just laughed sooooo hard at that link posted by joni. holy shit. you’d better screen capture that, cuz it’s *PRICELESS*.
Ariel
December 4th, 2007 at 9:02 pm
Amy, good point. I don’t really have an answer, other than that I’m an inconsistent hypocrite.
Also, as for the comments about Andreas — my mother has actually specifically complimented his stereotypically “feminine” traits, Except my mother doesn’t call them stereotypes — she calls them ARCHETYPES.
tia
December 7th, 2007 at 6:45 am
Hey! Fun reading as always.
amy.leblanc
December 8th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
ooo, archetypes v. stereotypes. now there’s a nice juicy topic for pontification.
dori
December 9th, 2007 at 10:13 am
i stopped using any sort of “fem” title for myself - i just call myself an equalist these days…
ariana
December 10th, 2007 at 9:21 am
(Note: I realize that while this kind of thinking sounds totally normal in my pinko grad school/labor movement bubble, it probably sounds crazy out here on the interweb. But here goes…)
An interesting perspective, Ariel, and I can see how “post-feminist” fits if you feel like everyone with whom you have regular contact is at least nominally feminist. I would argue, though, that second- (and first- and third-) wave western feminism is just one strand or tradition… there’s a whole world of feminisms out there that know and critique the limitations of western feminism.
I suspect, also, that you could find plenty of sexism and anti-feminism even within your bubble if you looked past the shiny liberal surfaces. Who serves you your coffee? Who’s making and selling your Gap jeans? (I’m not taking the high road here, I have some too!) When you go to a conference or for a getaway weekend, who cleans your hotel room? Who picks the fruits and vegetables you eat? Who processes and packages your food? Your electronics? And then there’s the world outside the bubble, which as you mentioned, is much, much worse.
These questions of who serves the coffee, who sews the garments, and who cleans the hotel rooms, etc. points to my own sense of what feminism is about (for me): it’s one plane of resistance to interlocking modes of domination based on gender, race, class, geography, etc… This is why I wouldn’t define myself as solely a feminist, but something like a marxist feminist anti-racist (catchy, ain’t it?). In fact, I’d probably privilege capitalism over racism and sexism as the primary mode of domination that we should be struggling to change–because under capitalism, hierarchies of difference like gender and race are cultivated and exploited, and so a lot of what we see when we look at sexism and racism are the effects of late capitalism.
It doesn’t matter what kind of bubble you’re living in–these relations of domination, which are always bound up with one another, are always reproduced inside the bubble, you reap the benefits of them inside the bubble, they find ways inside the bubble through commodity chains and through the service economy. I think this is worth noticing and working to change.
ellie
December 12th, 2007 at 11:48 am
Hi Ariel - I met you this weekend at your Ma’s house. I support your saying whatever you think about whatever topic you want! Say hi to Sassy Beanbutt for me!